I can’t help myself. Ray Comfort’s page is so full of ignorance and arrogance, I just can’t help myself.
Like with the last times, I don’t think that I need to say much about these posts. They tend to speak for themselves, but I will respond when I see fit.
What Ray Comfort is doing right now is known as Hoyle’s Fallacy, also known as the Boeing 747 Argument or the “junkyard tornado,” named after Fred Hoyle, an English astronomer.
Ray is just making it into a story made to lead people on instead of just coming out and saying, “Life starting spontaneously is highly improbable and is as improbable as a tornado going through a junkyard and making a Boeing 747.”
The problem with this argument is that no biologist has ever stated that life just sprung up into existence in one step. It probably took hundreds-of-millions of years to create – and I bite my tongue when using that word – what we might consider life, let alone the first eukaryote.
It seems to be running theme with Ray. When asked something difficult, he’s very good at skirting around the question. He would be a very good politician.
Whales did not become walking amphibians. You know nothing of our evolutionary timeline or the phylogenetic tree.
“…give me one example of observable evidence for it (the Scientific Method). Not hundreds of rabbit trail link, not videos to watch–just one example that can be observed here and now–not over millions of years.” For dinosaurs to evolve into modern-day birds, it took millions of generations slightly changing with each generation over millions of years. That’s how evolution works.
You can’t just look outside your window and see a bird transform in front of your eyes into a new species. If you understood evolution, you would know that, Ray, but you obviously don’t. You just want to make it look ridiculous in the eyes of equally uneducated and willfully ignorant sheeple.
Unlike with Christianity though, I can see evidence for tornadoes almost every day. I can see pictures and videos of them on the internet and television. I can see radar footage of them and the storms that they were formed from. I can see the destruction that is left in their wake.
We don’t see any evidence for a god, let alone the Christian god. If you have any, please show it to us. And no, tornadoes are not evidence for your god. Neither are the wonders or perceived complexities of the Universe.
Here’s a nice link about the contradictions in the Bible when it comes to God lying. I love the Skeptic’s Annotated Bible.
“The tragedy of any human grief doesn’t shake the Christian’s faith in God.” Really? It shook my faith. My maternal grandmother, my paternal grandmother, and then my father all dying within three years of each other really shook my faith.
It wasn’t the main cause, but it led me to read the Bible from cover-to-cover for the first time (and it wouldn’t be the last). I wasn’t angry at God. Quite the opposite. I was in search of God.
Nonetheless, to say that children had to die from tornadoes over the past few days, all because a woman ate from a tree, is completely immoral. We didn’t Fall. God did.
The desire to live and the aversion to death is not something God put in us. If He did, then He put the same will in all animals. How are we special then?
Yes, great things. Like all of the Israelite campaigns where they slaughtered men, women, children, infants, and animals.
See, but we have evidence for our claims, as ridiculous as you may find them. Your talking donkeys and snakes have none.
“For every one who has your experience there are 10,000 who come to know God through the reading of His amazing Word.” Then why has Christianity been decreasing around the world and atheism increasing?
But God doesn’t punish the thought crime of wanting to kill the President. No, God punishes those who simply think about having sex. Those kinds of crimes are punishable in Christianity. Thinking differently or “immorally” are the crimes of Christianity.
Asked to prove the Bible correct, uses the Bible.
Ray, you have no idea what science is, how it works, or how it is used. The fact that you passed high school, I’m assuming, is astonishing to me.
I just realised that I only got through about five days of posts. It felt like a lifetime of stupid.
A little more than two months ago, I posted a series of screencaps from the Timeline of Ray Comfort’s Facebook page. I’ve decided to return to that, and I have taken it upon myself to brave the Wall of Comfort again and trek through his Swamp of Stupid. Yes, I’m trying to make it sound like an epic quest. What can I say, I like World of Warcraft. For the Alliance!
To refresh our memories, here is probably my favourite one from the last post.
I can’t wait for what we’re in store for next. Here are just a couple of the most recent stupid things that Ray Comfort has said.
Yes, use Scripture to prove that Scripture is correct.
But I can twist that around at you, Ray. I probably should never spend any time trying to convince you that your god isn’t real, because you know it intuitively. You know, deep down inside, that there is no such thing as a god. You suppress the truth in order to make money off of willfully ignorant sheeple.
You didn’t really respond to his points. If someone says something about the immorality of the Bible, Christian teachings, or the actions taken by some Christians in the name of Christianity, then the only response that the Christian can have is, “Well, now why do you think that is immoral? Because God gave you a sense of morality.”
They can’t admit that the things God does or commands in the Bible are immoral. It betrays the very concept that the god of the Bible gave us a sense of good and evil that he himself does not follow. There response to that, I guess, would be that God can do what he likes, because he’s God. That is not a good enough answer and it never will be.
Ah, the good ol’ Kalam Cosmological Argument. How I missed you.
Ray is making the mistake of presupposing and interjecting God into the equation. William Lane Craig, who popularised this argument, never says “God,” but he does say that whatever caused the Universe must have been “causeless” and “beginningless,” which must obviously be a “god.” He also interjects “personal” to try and connect this thing, which is really a deistic god at best, to a more a more theistic grounding, specifically Christianity (even though the Kalam was first forumlated by a Muslim).
You’re mixing up descriptive and prescriptive laws, Ray. Gravity is a descriptive “law,” while something like the Ten Commandments or the Constitution are prescriptive laws. Law is the word used, in cases like gravity, for people to understand it better, but people like you instead use word games to “prove” their religious thinking as accurate.
Even though literally over 200,000 scientific and peer-reviewed papers have confirmed the validity of evolution. There are more papers validating evolution than there are for gravity, which I believe stands at around 85,000 papers. And gravity is not even all that accurate in certain instances, especially when you get up to the speed of light. That’s why we have Einstein’s General Relativity and then Quantum Mechanics and then String Theory.
Do I have to say anything? I don’t think I really do.
By your own logic, Ray, you would have to be omniscient to know that there is a god. But let me ask you this: do you believe that Leprechauns, fairies, Santa Claus, or other fantastical creatures that are the stuff of legends exist? If yes, then all I can do is laugh at you. If no, then do you need to be omniscient to know that Leprechauns, fairies, Santa Claus, or other fantastical creatures don’t exist?
I could easily say that everyone has “intuitive knowledge” that Leprechauns do exist, but people suppress the truth within them, because they are rebelling against Leprechauns.
Again, I could say that everyone has “intuitive knowledge” that there isn’t a god. Intuition is not proof of anything in the realm of science though. Feelings and personal experiences are not proof, especially of such an extraordinary claim.
But if God can give us “intuitive knowledge” of His existence and not affect our free will, then why could He not just come down and prove His existence to us definitively? According to your logic, people still rebel against Him who know He truly exists, so this wouldn’t affect our free will. Why not just do that?
You misunderstand what “pro-choice” means. A woman has the right to choose whether or not she has an abortion, not have one forced on her by a kidnapper. Murdering fetuses without the consent of the mother is not an abortion. You cannot compare the two.
You’re not even comparing apples and oranges at this point. You’re comparing apples and bricks.
Let me reemphasise that part:
So if you presuppose, which is just a fancy word for “preconceived notion” and “assume,” that the Gospels don’t contradict each other, then they don’t? But if an atheist were to presuppose, which we don’t, that the Gospels and Bible are wrong and your god isn’t real, then we’re close-minded people that are just rebelling against God.
I remember as a Christian reading through the Gospels and finding contradictions within them. I guess, I didn’t presuppose hard enough though.
I don’t even know how to respond to this…
If you want a great rebuttal to the “kinds” argument that many Creationists throw out there, read this great piece from Rachel Brown of Dogma Debate Radio.
So you’re saying that sin is sinful? No shit!
Then what about Jesus?
As you can see, I only got through ten days worth of posts. After that I just could not take the stupid anymore.
DISCLAIMER: I am not trying to insult Christians with this. I am trying to insult Ray Comfort though.
If you have been paying attention to Facebook, you might have noticed the attention given recently to Ray Comfort (a.k.a. the Banana Man) and his Facebook page for just all the hilariously stupid stuff that he says.
I decided to go through his Timeline and take screencaps of the most bizarre and stupid. Unfortunately, that seems to be pretty much everything that he says.
For the vast majority of these, I don’t think I have to say much of anything. I think they speak for themselves.
We will start with the most recent and just work our way backwards.
I’m just not going to say anything…
This actually makes me a little scared to be around you, Ray. Kind of sounds like martyrdom.
With a lot of these posts, he seems to be taking the usual atheist talking points and just adding a little Christian twist.
Then how come Europe is trying to ban porn? No seriously. They are trying to have a continent wide ban on porn.
A little homoerotic there. I think Ray has the hots for Jesus.
Coincidentally, one of my middle names is Thomas.
So you’re admitting there is a bunch of dirt in the Bible then, Ray?
Let’s see what Numbers 3-4 actually say.
Numbers 3 starts off with God telling Moses to essentially make the tribe of Levi the slaves of the Israelites (Numbers 3:5-10).
The chapter then ends by God ordering Moses to take a census of the different clans of the Levites, such as Gershonite, Kohathite, and Merarite, and then the entire tribe of Israelites. I don’t know why God would need to take a census, since He is supposedly omniscient, but whatever.
Numbers 4 is entirely about taking specific censuses of the able-bodied men of the clans of the Levites (again, why would God need to know this?) and assigning them different work to carry important religious artifacts and other things for the Israelites, just further insinuating that they are slaves.
Unnecessary censuses and slavery. Why does this make you smile, Ray?
I actually completely agree with you, Ray (except for the part about trying to sell us an “eternal life”).
This statement seems entirely contradictory. God has “everlasting love and mercy” and yet a “terrible wrath” too? Seems like an abusive husband. Loving you one moment, beating you the next.
Yes, I’m going to use the Bible to prove the Bible is correct!
As you can see, I only got to the 21st of February before I finally just gave up trying to find anymore.
I hope you all enjoyed this as much as I hated it. And Ray, I hope you keep doing what you’re doing, because you are the biggest advertisement for godless liberalism since former Pennsylvania Senator Rick Santorum said conservatives will never have “smart people on [their] side.”